free baby carrier!

free baby carrier!

I just ordered mine today so I can’t vouch for quality but it’s free so that’s pretty super.

empowered women looking at things off camera with their elbows the wrong way round!

Also available: empowered women looking at things off camera with their elbows on backwards!

Use the code FAMILY2014 at checkout to get a free baby sling, you just pay for the shipping. The patterns are beautiful and the sizing is pretty simple. I chose Autumn Blaze but it was actually a pretty tough choice. For shipping to the UK the total was £8.27. It’s pretty rare these offers are available for UK customers so I was really pleasantly surprised to find they do ship here. And now I’m really excited. Once Bellydweller is here I will post reviews of this and my Babymoov wrap (bought from eBay for £20).

The only experience I have with baby carriers is a Mothercare carrier I used to carry my niece in. It was HORRIBLE. My sister has given it to me now and just looking at it reminds me how yuck it was. I’ve since learnt it’s probably because it is a ‘crotch dangler’ and also has rubbish back support. I remember having her facing outward and wearing her for about 15 minutes before it was agony on my back, and thinking it must just be me being a weakling.

My other sister bought wraps for my nephew but didn’t use them for long. She had the long woven-type wraps for him to help with his hip dysplasia, but I don’t think ever really wore him outside the house much except when he was very tiny. I LOVE the idea of having my hands free and still being able to carry the Bear, and my experiments with tying the Babymoov wrap suggest it’s pretty easy to do (I was worried I wouldn’t ‘get’ how to do it but it’s so straightforward) so I’m really hoping we get along with it. I’d much rather have him in a wrap than a buggy, especially because our flat is on the second floor with no lift and I really, really don’t want to carry a buggy up that many stairs.


vertbaudet haul!

vertbaudet haul!

Yesterday my order from Vertbaudet arrived and it was AWESOME. The changing bag (top of picture) is the cutest thing I’ve ever seen. This is the one that is free with the code 4773. It’s a good size with two separate compartments inside. I hate carrying too much stuff so a bag this size is perfect for me – it is smaller than other changing bags though and probably if you have multiple children it wouldn’t be big enough. But it has easily fitted all the things I am taking with me for when Bellydweller makes his appearance – wipes, nappies, cotton wool, a few outfits, blanket etc, plus the changing mat that came with it. It’s also wipe clean (made of PVC type material) and has both carry handles and an adjustable shoulder strap.

I chose the sleep sack and the T-shirts just for cuteness, the sleep sack is very soft and ties together at the side rather than zipping up or buttoning. It also has a stretchy pouch bit at the back so you can take it off the baby’s legs for easy changing without having to get them out of the entire thing which I thought was super cool.

Also with my order for some reason I got a free T-shirt for me! I have no idea why and didn’t know I’d be getting it. Strangely they have sent me a size 22-24 which is quite ridiculously too big, however I have to admit it’s pretty comfy and it’s nice to swim around in a shirt once in a while when you don’t feel like being a real person. I’m pretty sure it’ll be coming with me to labour in because it also has a nice wide neck and is very lightweight jersey fabric.

They sent me their catalogue which is terrible because now I want everything in it. Giraffe curtains! With pockets! I also really wish I knew people who were having babies because there is a referral offer with an option for a REALLY cute breakfast set which I want. But none of my friends are pregnant or would be interested at all, so that stinks. Maybe I can bribe a stranger.

I love free stuff

Super cute free stuff especially.

Vertbaudet is a site I just found with some great offers for both new and existing customers. The code 4773 gives you a FREE changing bag (it has animals on it and is REALLY cute) and £15.00 off your order over £30.00. So of course I had to buy some stuff I’d been wanting for a while.

It's a bear! And a towel! £11.90!

It’s a bear! And a towel! £11.90!

I chose this hooded bath towel (sale price £11.90), this all-in-one sleepsuit (sale price £14.00), and this 2 pack of t-shirts for £9.00. All this, plus the changing bag & changing mat, ended up being £20.99 with postage.

I always feel a little bit guilty when buying new baby clothes. I haven’t bought many and most of them have been on sale. I think in total Bellydweller will have less than 10 brand new items of clothing that I have actually bought for him. I just end up feeling like I am wasting money because the truth is he will not be in most of these clothes for very long.

We have been given a LOT of second hand baby clothes which is AWESOME. I am getting pretty excited to move into our new place and start washing and organising all the clothes, because there is some really cute stuff in there. So it’s not like he really needs all of these new clothes.

But, I do want to dress him in some things which at least sort of represent my tastes, and I am deliberately buying slightly bigger sizes so I don’t end up with 8 bazillion tiny tiny tiny bodysuits that will be good for nothing after five days.

One thing I do want to spend good money on is books. Once I have somewhere to store them I don’t think anyone will be able to keep me out of the kids’ section at Waterstones. I’m also looking for books in Spanish, hopefully of stories that I already know, so I can learn Spanish while reading to him. This might be a ridiculously ambitious goal. We’ll see.

Baby on a Budget – My Pre-Birth List

As mentioned previously, there’s a whoooole lot of this kind of list on the internet and you’ll probably get everyone and their mum trying to tell you what you need and don’t need. I like reading lists like this because I enjoy torturing myself about the things I will never be able to afford, so I decided to make a list of all the things that I have decided I need before Baby Bear decides to make his appearance. Although they might not be essentials, in all cases, it’s stuff I think I’d like to have to prevent me from going mad. This is only stuff I plan to buy before the baby and is probably not a definitive list, but it covers most of my major purchases so far, and those I have planned.

Something to Sleep In

Figured perhaps the floor wasn't going to be an adequate sleeping arrangement.

Figured perhaps the floor wasn’t going to be an adequate sleeping arrangement.

Moses basket, cot, cardboard box…I bought a really snazzy rockable co-sleeper crib second hand from eBay for £25, and picked it up from its previous owner so no postage cost. It looks a bit like the one on the left (that particular one is available on Amazon for about £75) except they painted it a really funky bluey purple colour so my kid is going to be the coolest. They also included a mattress, bumper, and a super cute green sheep blanket. I liked the idea of co-sleeping, but felt better about having a little separate bed for him, partly to make the transition to a bigger cot easier. This style of crib can stand alone, or you can remove one side and use something like a couple of ratchet straps to secure it tightly to your bed. Ours has an adjustable base, so all we’ll need to do is make sure the mattresses are the same height and pushed snugly together (rolled up towels or pillows will probably be doing this job for me).

My younger sister’s daughter has just about grown out of her cot, which I believe is the SNIGLAR model from Ikea, available for £30, so this will be a hand-me-down affair once we grow out of the crib. I’m also likely to eventually invest in a travel cot, both for actual travelling and also for when he’s a bit bigger but not ready to move out of our bedroom yet, since it might be a pain to drag the ‘real’ cot around the house. This one is a favourite right now – its £34.99 (normally £59.99 but £25 off at Kiddicare), has a bassinet attachment for very small babies, looks cool and has good reviews.

Bedding and blankets – I’ve crocheted a small blanket myself and bought a few more, again Kiddicare has been my favourite for many different styles. I figure it’ll be hard to have too many blankets and they are so super cute. There’s good deals everywhere for cot sheets – these Jersey cotton sheets are a £8.99 from Amazon. I bought this bedding pack from Kiddicare for £11.99, mostly because it had a crocodile on it. Kiddicare also has the best deals I’ve been able to find on things like knitted blankets – this Chunky Knit pram blanket is just as nice as the Mamas & Papas or boutiquey type ones that sell for £30+, and is only £12.99. It’s also worth visiting the shop – I found an incredibly soft fleecey-type square blanket with a dinosaur print for less than £5.

Something to Sit In While Driving

They're actually much bigger than you might expect.

They’re actually much bigger than you might expect

The baby won’t be driving, I hope, but apparently they still need something to sit in. Extremely fortunately for us, we bought a 5 door hatchback Renault Megane over Christmas to replace my tiny Daewoo Matiz (if you are not aware, this is basically a toy car and should only be driven by very small people who don’t expect to be able to carry luggage or passengers over about 50lbs in weight). This is great because the back seat actually has plenty of room for a nice reclining combination car seat. The one I chose was a Nania Cosmo SP, which are on Amazon for about £55 in various colours. This is a group 0-1 seat so suitable from birth to about 4-5 years (18kgs weight limit). It can be both rear-facing and forward facing. I found this on eBay for £39.99 with free P&P. The listing said it had ‘very minor fabric faults’, which I couldn’t find. It comes in a bunch of colours and I really really wanted the green one but Boyfriend said no 😦 Ours is a sort of coffee-and-chocolate combo which is OK I guess.

The downside of internet shopping is obviously that you can’t try it in your car before you make a decision. That does suck. Especially with the combination carseats, because in order to have them in the rear-facing position, they have to be reclined all the way, which means they do take up a lot of space. But, most places will let you return them, and you could always go to a shop and have a look at the model you’re thinking of buying, and maybe measure it or actually give it a go. It’s probably also worth keeping an eye out at places like Asda and Argos for any offers they may have – my sister has a similar Nania car seat which they bought from Asda for about £30.

Some Kind of Transport

I can see why it's called 'Jet', it definitely looks like one.

I can see why it’s called ‘Jet’, it definitely looks like one.

I am not planning on buying a pram/stroller/buggy straight away, because when Bellydweller is small it seems to me that it will be easier to just carry him rather than a large, complex vehicle as well. I have done some stroller-weighing though, and my top contenders so far are the Kiddicare Jet Stroller for £34.99, or if I feel like splashing out a bit, one of these Chicco London Strollers for £54.99. The Kiddicare Jet is basic, only comes in two colours (red or blue) but a good price and they are really lightweight. The Chicco London ones are a similar kind of weight but look a bit more stylish and also come with those little leg holder things (which apparently is a good thing, maybe it stops them from falling out?) Both these are suitable from birth and up to about 3 years. Unless I can find a great deal on a second hand one from eBay, one of those is my plan. I did also look at the Obaby Strollers which look really nice and have a lot of colour options, and can also be found on Amazon for very reasonable prices, but they are so much heavier than strollers of a comparable size, and I think I would struggle. I’m a small person but I’m used to lifting and carrying quite a bit, and they were still difficult to lift for me – I can only imagine what they would be like with a baby in as well.

The paisley makes it more effective.

The paisley makes it more effective.

As a replacement for an immediate pram/stroller, I have been given a Mothercare Two Position Carrier (£19.99), a promise to borrow two Calin Bleu wrap slings (cheapest one £34.99), and plan to purchase one of these gorgeous Mei Tais from Daisy Baby. The Mothercare carrier is not the most stylish of things, and also has that annoying design thing where the crotch is really thin and the baby’s legs hang down and apparently that’s not great. I used it a few times with my niece and I remember it being quite a strain on my back. The wrap-style slings look awesome and I’ve heard really great things, but I want a structured carrier partly for ease of use, but also so that Boyfriend would also be able to easily use it (he was a bit worried about getting to grips with learning to use the wraps). The Daisy Baby mei tais come in about a million different patterns and they are so cute, and also only £22.99. They have really good reviews and lots of babywearing type online communities suggest this style as a sort of halfway point between a ‘proper’ wrap-type sling and one of those super controlling strapped up carriers.

Something to Wear

Dinosaurs. That is all.

Dinosaurs. That is all.

I’ve bought various cutesy stuff but I’ve tried to buy the more expensive/nicer clothes in larger sizes so that he’ll actually get to wear them for more than a couple of weeks. It took a while, but I found a very reasonable 4 pack of newborn onesies for £5.65 on Amazon. 100% cotton and plain white – I’m considering dying them to make them a bit more exciting. I also found some second hand clothes at a Sue Ryder shop for 75p each, so got a couple of bodysuits, feetie pyjamas, a hoodie and a hat for about £2.50. If you can find them on offer, Boots does some very cute little clothing packs, some with hats. Most places seem to suggest at least 6 vests, 6 onesies, 6 sleepsuits, 4 daytime outfits and 1 or 2 hats. It’s worth bearing in mind that clothes are everybody’s favourite thing to buy for a new baby so you’re likely to receive a fair few outfits.

I also bought some of those cool bandana type neckscarves that act as bibs while looking more fashionable. These Funky Giraffe ones are £11 for a pack of 5 and are really cute – lots of styles available. If you can find somewhere that stocks the Nutmeg range by Morrisons they are even more reasonable, with packs of 2 for £2.00 (I bought just one pack and I’m regretting not buying lots more, because they are really nice, both in quality and design). I have not worried too much about socks because as far as I can tell they just fall off, so instead have focused on finding things that already have feet on them. Baby tights exist and I have no idea why they should just be for girls, I’m pretty sure he won’t know any different. I am also not bothering with scratch mitts, because in my experience all they seem to do is fall off.

Bathing Paraphernalia

Also for getting a tan on the beach.

Also for getting a tan on the beach.

Instead of an actual baby bath, on my mum’s advice I have gone for a little bath cradle instead. She said there’s nothing wrong with a baby bath, but filling them and carrying them around can be a pain, and the bath support/cradle/sun-lounger type things are a lot lighter, fit in any bath and some sinks, and mean you don’t necessarily have to wash the baby one-handed. They’re also supposed to be pretty good if your baby turns out to be very wriggly. This one can be found at Kiddicare for £8.99.

Owl Towel. Hoooo.

Owl Towel. Hoooo.

Hooded towels are also supposed to be pretty awesome for easy + fun bathtimes. This one is only £6.40 and has an elephant and a giraffe on it. This one has an owl face on it so although it’s £18.00 I will probably buy it because things with owl faces have an inexplicable draw to me. Baby toiletries and stuff are also pretty necessary, but there are a lot of packs that will come with samples of these and when the baby is super new I figure he won’t need much more than warm water and cotton wool. I like this temperature taking bath duck for £2.79, especially as Boyfriend is very concerned about getting bath temperatures right. Morrisons have stuff like Baby Lotion for 36p per 500ml – the Johnson’s equivalent is normally at least £2.00. This Healthcare Kit by Tommee Tippee is also on my list as it knocks off a whole bunch of stuff for just £10.00 – nail scissors, clippers, hairbrush, thermometer, toothbrush, aspirator, etc. Some of it won’t last, I’m sure, but at least I’ll have something for the first few weeks and I can always replace the stuff I feel I absolutely need with something more robust later on.

Things to Contain/Deal With/Dispose of the Poo

Shouldn't this come with some kind of biohazard warning label?

Shouldn’t this come with some kind of biohazard warning label?

So apparently, newborns shit a whole lot. The small person inside me won’t learn to control his excitement/excrement for quite possibly another 3 years at least. Therefore I’m in need of things to hold it, clean it up with, and throw it away in. The nappies I’ve chosen are Kiddicare’s Just4Bums (£35.00 for 2 packs of 196) mostly due to extreme good value (covered at length in the Baby Bargains post below). I’ll be buying a bin with a tight-fitting lid – possibly not one actually marketed as a ‘nappy bin’ since a lot of those seem overpriced, way too ‘cute’ (you’re not putting sunshine and rainbows in there) or actually not do the job I would imagine is intended, that is, containing the smell for at least a day or two. Instead, I’m considering heading to Wilko and trying out a few like this fun turquoise one for £6.00 to see which has the best lid. Nappy bags also seem a good idea for venturing out and about, but it’s likely I’ll just be using plastic bags to line the bin while at home.

For cleaning purposes, Morrisons Savers wipes are £5.52 for a box of 12 72-packs. That’s 864 wipes. That is a whole lot. (These can also be bought individually from Morrisons for 46p a pack, which works out the same). There seems to be mixed feelings on using wipes for newborns – for one thing that meconium stuff is meant to be so sticky that mere wipes couldn’t possibly cope – but I know I’ll need them at some point, so why not stock up now? For nappy rash cream, Amazon seems to be the best bet – Sudocrem is £5.70 for 400g and is my choice purely because my mum tells me it’s the best. I may experiment if I happen to see other brands on offer.

If I hadn’t got my free Boots Parenting Club changing bag, this 5pc Baby Changing Bag Set is £13.99, comes in a variety of colours, and has a whole bunch of stuff with it. Most changing bags come with a basic changing mat, but for home use I chose something similar to this Kiddicare Funky Friends changing mat for £6.39 (mine I think is slightly different but it’s the same style and was a similar price, and also from Kiddicare). My criteria for a home changing mat was one with nice deep sides to prevent rolling around, because then it will also be useful when the baby is small as a sort of bed bumper if he’s ever in my bed. For even cheaper options, try Asda or Morrisons – this Red Kite Baby Changing Mat is £5.00 from Asda, and at our local Morrisons a while back there was a plain but cute changing mat for a similar price.

Awesome Baby Offers and Free Baby Stuff in the UK

We don’t have a lot of money. We might have two incomes but on minimum wage and living in a pretty expensive city, it doesn’t leave a lot of disposable income. So although I would really love to buy organic nappies made of soy milk and angel breath, and one of those prams that looks like a spaceship, I’m relying an awful lot on stuff that is free or heavily discounted.

Although there’s still two and a half months to go, I have been trying to Get Organised (note capitals because this is Very Important) and make sure we have most of the stuff we’ll need in the immediate aftermath of impending Babypocalypse. There’s a lot of lists around the place about what stuff to get, one of my sisters sent me a spreadsheet which had been passed to her by her best friend and that’s been very useful, but you can also find a dozen of these on the internet. I particularly liked Lucie’s List, even though it is aimed at people in the USA, because it gives some really great advice along with some product recommendations for different budgets. I also enjoyed The Pregnant Chicken’s Baby on a Budget – The Barest Bare Essentials, although again all products linked are for the US and may not be available easily in the UK. They’re still good to get some ideas.

Although not a comprehensive list of all the things you’re likely to want/need, here’s some of the really good deals I’ve found and taken advantage of. They’re all available in the UK.

Free Changing Bag + Extra Advantage Points (Boots Parenting Club)

It's freeeeee (with a Pampers nappy purchase)

It’s freeeeee (with a Pampers nappy purchase)

Join the Boots Parenting Club (you need to be an advantage card holder, or you need to sign up for the card, and you sort of ‘upgrade’ your membership to the status of Parent, but both of these things are free anyway) and you can get a free changing bag worth £30 when you buy a pack of Pampers nappies. You also get 10 advantage card points for every £1 you spend on baby products. Both offers are also redeemable online once you receive your card and your little welcome pack. And they send you a cute little magazine every now and again with more coupons and product comparisons and all that stuff. If I’m honest, most of it didn’t interest me and I likely won’t use the majority of the coupons, but I needed a changing bag and this one is fairly neutral and was also the cheapest way of getting one.

You’ll need to buy an Essentials Pack of Pampers nappies like this one. I had already bought a whole boatload of nappies (see below) so didn’t really need any more, but figured, what can it hurt? It’s £6.99. The sensitive ones work too.

2 for £35 on Giant Packs of Just4Bums Nappies at Kiddicare

Could possibly insulate the roof with this many nappies.

Could possibly insulate the roof with this many nappies.

Kiddicare is super awesome. The shops are really fun and they have an online store as well. I didn’t go there intending to spend that much money but came away with over £70 worth of crazy good stuff, including two packs of their own brand of nappies. I can’t give a full review just yet, as I don’t have the baby around and Boyfriend refuses to be a test subject, but the reviews online are all extremely good, and they’ve won a whole bunch of awards. I bought the Size 2 (Mini), which goes up to 13lbs. My mum assures me he will not be over 13lbs by 2 months old, so unless I am actually giving birth to an elephant I’m hoping to be OK. Each pack has 196 nappies, so with this offer you’re spending approx 8p per nappy. A jumbo pack of Pampers Size 2 Newborn at Boots works out at approx 13p per nappy, and Boots own brand of Newborn nappies are approx 11p, so this is a pretty great deal. If you order 2 or more packs online you also get free delivery. When I bought them in-store, I also got a free sample of the next size up and a voucher for some money off if I buy them again.

They’re pretty competitively priced even when not on offer, so if I get on with them I’ll probably carry on buying them. The next size up (for babies up to 20lbs) comes in packs of 180, and when not on offer the packs are £19.99. That’s about 12p per nappy, which is cheaper by 3p a nappy than Boots brand nappies in the same size, and they come in bigger packs so you don’t have to keep buying them. Not bad.

Our one problem was finding somewhere to store them while we don’t really need them. We have settled on the boot of the car for now.

On That Note… A Whole Bunch of Stuff from Kiddicare

I could actually become a Kiddicare spokesperson, in fact I should probably write to them and get sponsored, because I could probably talk about them all day. I LOVE how much is available, I love the layout of their shops, and the prices are phenomenal on their own branded products which are really high quality. Unfortunately we don’t have a store close to us, but when visiting family I actually insisted on a day trip to Cribbs Causeway in Bristol (which is still about an hour’s drive from them) so I could go there. It was everything I ever dreamed and more. They stock a lot of Morrisons brand items (they have some kind of partnership) which is pretty great because Morrisons is the other place I really love to shop. Morrisons now has a kid’s clothing range called Nutmeg and I cannot get over how cute these things are. They also have some very reasonable and damn good baby toiletries in the Morrisons Savers range. Baby shampoo for 15p.

Visit a shop if you get a chance – I wanted to try out some stroller/buggy options and see how heavy they were, and they have a whole TON set up for you to try. They also have demo models of things like bouncer chairs, high chairs and travelcots so you can have a look at how big something is, if you are like me and are poor at spacial visualisation.

Free Mum to Be Pack from Emma’s Diary

I don't think the baby is included.

I don’t think the baby is included.

Every day I get approximately 4.5 thousand emails about pregnancy, babies, baby offers or baby anteaters. I don’t know how I managed to get this one because I didn’t know about this site, but I have been extremely free with my email address of late in hopes of getting ALL THE THINGS that are on offer or being given away. This, it turns out, is a pretty decent strategy.

I have no idea what’s in this pack as I haven’t gone to collect mine yet, but all you have to do is create a free account at Emma’s Diary (I don’t know who Emma is, I haven’t worked out if she is an actual person who had a baby once and wrote about it, or just some kind of Cunning Marketing Ploy like those people on the BT adverts that you get really attached to then remember are not real) and you get a voucher to print off and take to Argos or Boots and get a pack of things For Freeee. I didn’t see any reason not to since you don’t have to buy anything and at this point I’ll take anything that’s free, if it turns out to be made of broken glass or infected with anthrax I can always just not use it. There are a lot of other contests and prize draws and that kind of thing linked to from the site – some of them are probably not worth it as you have to give them your mobile number or address and will probably be bombarded with brochures for timeshares/classic cars/luxurious holidays in That Bit of Benidorm where the Average Age is 102, but there’s a couple that are very straightforward and just involve you giving them your name and clicking a button. I like buttons. Lovely, no-strings-attached buttons.

Half Price Name Brand Assorted Goodies at TryItClub

What will we do with all the things?!

What will we do with all the things?!

TryItClub is basically a sort of pay to receive samples type of site. All the products are half what you’d normally pay for them, with only £2.99 delivery. It’s probably not worth it if you only wanted two or three specific things – I’d probably head to Boots or something when they had a decent offer on, 3 for 2 tends to be pretty good, and get the advantage card points at the same time with my snazzy Parenting Club membership – but the selection packs seem like a good deal if you want to trial a bunch of stuff for pretty cheap. The Selection Try It Pack includes 21 different products of varying brands, like nappies, wipes, nappy cream, antiseptic handwash, baby lotion, nursing pads, pregnancy vitamin supplements, baby bottles and a soother, and costs £47.96 when all these products would normally be £92.54. You get a selection of brands, from the ordinary stuff like Huggies and Johnson’s to the more specialist organic type things like Naty. It seems to me to be a great chance to have different brands of stuff just in case your baby decides they really don’t like whatever brand you decided on and just being in the presence of Pampers or Bepanthen or whatever makes them break out in purple spots and grow horns. No really – apparently it’s a very serious problem.

This way, at least you’ll have a couple of back-ups if it turns out that your baby has a bad reaction to Huggies, or thinks the bottles you bought taste like poo. You’ve got a couple of options and can experiment cheaply instead of having to invest in order to try something that might not work for you. If it turns out that the only nappies Bellydweller will wear are the organic imported cashmere hypoallergenic £900 a pack ones, then who am I to deny him (oh please please please don’t be true).

Free Baby/Mum to Be Packs from Bounty

OK, OK, I know there is a bit of controversy over Bounty as a company (see this article from the Guardian if you have no idea what I’m on about) and I couldn’t agree more that what they do is pretty horrid. However at this point I can’t afford to turn down free things for the sake of my principles, unfortunately, nor am I ever likely to do so because it’s free. If it was a case of having to buy something from them in order to get this free stuff, I probably wouldn’t. But I kind of figure that if anything they lose something by giving me free stuff, and by wasting their marketing resources on me for stuff I’ll never buy. I’ve also given strict instructions to Boyfriend that he is not to let anyone but him take photos of me or make me sign anything, and Jaime is pretty good at not wanting to do what other people tell him to. So – they give me stuff, I don’t give them anything, and we’ll be rude right back at their representatives if they try any of their shit. Sounds like a win-win.